Of the 1.2 BILLION Muslims in the world less than 1% of those are “extremists.”
If you want I can compile a list of assassinations, terrorist attacks, kidnappings and murders conducted by white, male Christians. Does this mean that all white, male Christians are assassins, terrorists, kidnappers or murderers?
The intolerance, indifference and prejudice is getting a little ridiculous. Please do me a favor and the next time one of those “Obama is a Musl…” e-mails arrives in your inbox—don’t open it, just delete it. Believing that crap amounts to believing that clicking on this link and entering your credit card information will really allow you to claim the $100,000 prize you just won for being the one millionth person to visit that website.
If you don’t like Obama, thats fine. Make it about the FACTS of his policy, about his candidacy, about what he’s done or hasn’t done, about his experience or lack thereof… DO NOT make it about hateful, prejudicial hearsay.
Don’t feed me the FACTS about how he may have (or did) attend a Muslim school in Jakarta, nearly all the schools in Jakarta are Muslim—its a freaking predominantly Muslim country. Jakarta has been a target for terrorist attack just like the rest of us. They were attacked by the 1% of their religion, the extremists, who do share their religion but possess a vastly different interpretation of Islam.
For the record, I attended a Catholic school. I am not Catholic. I don’t believe in many of the teachings or policies or positions of the Catholic church. If your logic is sound, the mere fact that I spent a few years sitting at a desk in a Catholic school my entire belief system should be lock-in-step with the Catholic Church, but not only that, I should possess an extremist radical view of Catholic teachings that is shared by only 1% of all Catholics in the world. I can assure you I don’t and am not.
It’s funny that Obama is quick to pass judgement on this out of context quote trying to prove he is not a Muslim but he makes commercials using partial quotes from Rush Limbaugh. That makes Obama a liar and you think he can be the president of the free world.
Then everyone else who has, does, or will take quotes out-of-context is a liar and shouldn’t be President of the free world. Sorry Barrack… and Joe, and John, and Sarah, and Hillary, and—oh yeah, don’t forget Mr. “I did not have sexual relations with that wo…”, or Bush #1 or Bush #2 or 99.9999999% of Congress, or our local politicians AND me.
Please. It’s done everyday by everyone as a political tactic. I’m not condoning it, its not right, but everyone does it. It’s not going to stop anytime soon.
I do though remember an old saying, something about ‘people in glass houses…’ Both candidates and their parties seem to have forgotten their candidates and former candidates positions, backgrounds, etc. Nearly everything the republicans have said against the democrats you can find a republican candidate who fits their critique and visa versa.
“Then when agression is shown to us-it is met right away with strengh- much more effective, I think.”
What type of “aggression” - another Pearl Harbor or 911? This is what we constantly have to be on guard against and take pro-active and in some cases, preemptive action IF NECESSARY.
I agree with you about constructive dialogue, but sometimes, it doesn’t work, especially with radicals who are not interested in
“dialogue or discussion” but who are determined to destroy the U.S. and our way of life, by whatever means they deem “necessary”.
Unfortunately, this is the way it is and it must be dealt with…remember, the U.S. has not been attacked for 7 years which I attribute to the U.S. taking the fight to the enemy’s backyard so to speak….
Diplomacy is never a bad idea. Dialogue is never a bad idea.
Cheryl, you say “but sometimes, it doesn’t work” and that’s true. But how do we know it won’t work unless we try? Talking is not negotiating—it can be, but doesn’t have to be.
Terrorism hasn’t stopped, its been quelled some recently, but just because our Homeland hasn’t been attacked doesn’t mean the our actions around the world have been effective. In fact, terrorist attacks around the world—many in the U.S.‘s allies’ homelands—have spiked in the last seven years. Our leaders still tell us that we’re not safe… the U.S. is still targeted, we’re still vulnerable. The President has said this. If we’ve been so effective at stopping terrorism because of our actions around the world, fighting in their “backyard” why aren’t we safe after seven years of fighting? How long is it going to take before we are?
Geez, sorry if I offended anyone, but the Bible has been around for a couple thousand years and I believe more of it than disbelieve.
As for the 1% of Muslim extremists, the FACT remains that the atrocities that are mentioned were indeed committed by Muslim extremists…
As for my postings re: Obama, I will refrain from posting anything “political” even if factual, such as the Investor’s Business Daily link to the 15 part series about Obama (none of which to my knowledge has been disputed by the Obama camp)...
According to Cheryls Post:
According to The Book of Revelations:
>
> The Anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40’s, of MUSLIM descent, who will
> deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE
> Christlike appeal….the prophecy says that people will flock to him and
> he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, he
> will destroy everything.
Nothing in the Bible- in revelation or elsewhere- describes the man
as man, in his 40’s, of MUSLIM descent.
In fact since the book of Revelation was complete by the end of the second century, but the religion of Islam was
not founded until about 400 years later the notion that Revelation would mention a “Muslim” at all is very far-fetched.
Even if it did it couldnt be meant to be Barack Obama since he is a CHRISTIAN- not a Muslim.
As for all the above mentions- what they all have in common is extremists. Extremeists in all forms Christian, Muslim, Jewish,
or any others is what is the key.
I would encourage everyone to read “Who Speaks for Islam” the books says that 7% of Muslims approved of the world trade center attack.
There are more than one billion Muslims in the world. 7% of them think that the murder of American civilians on 9/11 was justified. That’s seventy million people.
But gosh, the fact that seventy million Muslims think Allah wants them to fly planes into American buildings shouldn’t color our embrace of the great Muslim faith, at all!
Even if Obama is not Muslim, although there is some pretty damning evidence that he did go down that path, should worry the world. Why do you think 80% of the EU wants Obama to be President, he is weak on foreign policy and wants to hold talks with anyone without preconditions. Quack, terrorism will never stop just like crime in the US will never stop either. Just like we have police in certain areas help stop crime is the same reason we have not had a terrorist attack in the USA. We have effective border protection that forces the terrorist to go bomb something somewhere else. I’m sorry that it happens elsewhere but the terrorist cannot attack where we have troops so they go elsewhere. I can’t site the specifics but I would bet that overall, the world is a safer place now that we have troops in Iraq.
According to Cheryls Post:
According to The Book of Revelations:
>
> The Anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40’s, of MUSLIM descent, who will
> deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE
> Christlike appeal….the prophecy says that people will flock to him and
> he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, he
> will destroy everything.
Nothing in the Bible- in revelation or elsewhere- describes the man
as man, in his 40’s, of MUSLIM descent.
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BJG - I stand corrected. This information was sent to me by a good friend of mine, and I don’t have any reason to second guess what she sends to me….however, the rest of the post (which she also sent) is fact.
Geez, sorry if I offended anyone, but the Bible has been around for a couple thousand years and I believe more of it than disbelieve.
As for the 1% of Muslim extremists, the FACT remains that the atrocities that are mentioned were indeed committed by Muslim extremists…
As for my postings re: Obama, I will refrain from posting anything “political” even if factual, such as the Investor’s Business Daily link to the 15 part series about Obama (none of which to my knowledge has been disputed by the Obama camp)...
I will only comment on local issues from now on.
Actually cheryl, I went back and re-read what I wrote, while I believe in what I said, I didn’t mean for it to come off as brazen and rash as it did; for that I apologize.
My main point was that associating Obama to Muslim extremists is getting… for a lack of a better word right now—disheartening. There are a million reasons to disagree and dislike the guy. To focus on something that isn’t factual—at its best might be circumstantial, but with no direct evidence of it—is killing the valid arguments against him. While it does draw attention to him, it draws the wrong attention. It turns most people off. Associating him with these things because of the weak links that associate the thoughts together is like my example of me attending a Catholic school. Just because I attended a Catholic school and visited Italy, do I sympathize and become associated with Fronte Combattente Cristiano? Or, if I had ties to Ireland, the IRA or the Catholic Reaction Force? How about if I just remained in the U.S., being white, attending a Catholic school, occasionally going with a friend to mass—now I’m associated with Army of God, the Patriots, Aryan Nation, LOC, or the KKK? The logic of associating the two is nearly the same—I must be in some trouble then. Do you share similar Christian views with any of these Christian extremist groups? Would it be unfair to associate you with them just because you and they are both Christian?
I think I’m beating a dead horse at this point, but I hope my point is clear. Obama shouldn’t be President as far as I’m concerned at this minute. He’s not a leader, he hasn’t shown me any ability to lead. He hasn’t faced any opposition, challenged McCain in any debates, averts controversy, gives remarkably inspiring speeches that lack any real substance. He’s still yet to announce plans on how he will bring about “change” to anything. Sure he’s taken a broad stance on a few issues, but nothing that particularly is relevant in the election. His stances and positions usually only come out after someone else has taking the lead and he announces his “support” of their position. In other words, he looks for the “safe” way of going about business. As President, there is no one to follow. He has to make the decisions. The fact that he couldn’t make one of substance when it mattered—as a leader, taking a risk when necessary—speaks volumes to me.
I added several points about his energy policy, his hybrid cars proposal, Troop withdrawal etc. ... all of these are major concerns that he hasn’t addressed.
As for the IBD, keep in mind that while all those stories are published by the IBD they’re all editorials, lte’s or op-eds. I’m not saying that they aren’t factual or that they lack substance, but they are “opinions” of those writers. I take that with a grain of salt.
Again cheryl, I didn’t mean to sound so harsh before or seem like I was attacking you individually. My inbox gets bombarded with those chain e-mails that are completely irrelevant, offensive, untrue and do everyone who reads and forwards them a great disservice—while I wasn’t trying to single you out, it appeared that you copied and pasted the contents of one of those chain e-mails full of mis-information, and I think I did single you out… for that I’m sorry.
I agree with parts too… I agree that we can’t and shouldn’t stop terrorism abroad except to protect our sovereign assets oversees [like our embassies]. I disagree that Iraq is the place to make us safer. The accused 9/11 hijackers weren’t Iraqi, they didn’t get their training, funding or orders from Iraq. They never stepped foot in Iraq while conspiring to kill Americans.
We didn’t invade Saudi Arabia, when many of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi, including Bin Laden. We didn’t devote our resources in Afghanistan and Pakistan where intelligence showed that’s where Bin Laden and terrorist groups were. We’re are only NOW, seven years later doing cross border missions to chase terrorists into Pakistan, after seven years of our ally, Pakistan harboring those terrorists.
We went after the wrong threat. And, Iraq may have been a threat… but they weren’t THE threat in 2001.
On the other topic of the book of Revelations… as written by the apostle John, seemingly antichrists have come and gone since the day John penned his letters. In the book of Revelation, John refers to the final and ultimate Antichrist as “the Beast.” The Beast will be the embodiment of the entire spirit of anti-Christ. He will have supernatural power and global influence. The Beast first appears as a political leader, who will make a covenant with Israel and assume world leadership. Later he takes on the role of a religious leader who is worshipped. Supported by his sidekick - “the False Prophet” - the Beast will deceive the world. He, his prophet, and Satan will form an unholy trinity to rule all of creation. Before The Beast, there are several other beasts to appear, as described in Revelations, the description of the first beast - especially the ten horns and seven heads - has led many to conclude that the first beast will be a political leader. He will achieve worldwide control through his plan for peace. This ruler will be in this position for the entire seven year tribulation period. Who will he be? Will he be resurrected from the dead, as is widely believed, because of the reference to a fatal wound that has been healed? I don’t know, my most educated guess is just that. In direct cooperation with the first beast is a second beast known as the False Prophet, who will assume a place of leadership in the ecumenical religious community that rightly belongs to Christ. Reference to this second beast is found in Revelation 13:11: “I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon.”
I can go on and on… but I don’t see the correlation to any of that to Obama. I guess only time will tell—but couldn’t any political figure who achieves peace to Israel fit the bill too?
[quote author=” Just because I attended a Catholic school and visited Italy, do I sympathize and become associated with Fronte Combattente Cristiano? Or, if I had ties to Ireland, the IRA or the Catholic Reaction Force? How about if I just remained in the U.S., being white, attending a Catholic school, occasionally going with a friend to mass—now I’m associated with Army of God, the Patriots, Aryan Nation, LOC, or the KKK? .
Quack I agree with you on this point but at the same time it proves the Obama camp wrong. Obama’s claim to fame is change which you stated is not reason to vote for someone. All Obama can come up with is Bush’s third term. Obama is linking McCain to Bush very much in the same way Obama gets linked to other individuals and faiths. I’m a little perplexed why you would even mentioned Fronte Combattente Cristiano, it leader Roberto Sandalo was arrested in April and in no way even comes close to the terrorism displayed by the Muslims. His form of Islamofascism was as true to form as a link between Obama and Richard Ayers from the weather underground. Are we not from the company we keep?
forgive me, but wasn’t Roberto Sandalo arrested for bombing mosques and predominantly Islamic community areas? If what I know about him is correct, he’s exactly like terrorism displayed by Muslim extremists (you failed to add “extremists” on the end of your sentence there… failing to do that is like associating the actions of Christian terrorists with Christians… and that’s been my point).
I think you mean William Ayers… Isn’t that association just a damning to the Clintons (if not moreso)? Which is worse, working for and associating with a known domestic terrorist who was never convicted (the charges were dropped after his arrest), or in your final days as President, pardoning them and their crimes?
But what then about McCain’s ties to Carl Linder—he’s accepted millions in campaign contributions and has done personal favors for Linder dating back to the early 90s. Linder sits on at least one of McCain’s campaign boards. Linder has direct ties to financing Columbian terrorist groups.
Yes we are and I would be more than happy to give you the lists of thugs that Obama is either supported by or hung out with. Even though Obama has far less experience than McCain his list is twice as long. From Freddie to Fannie to Ayers to Resko is just the beginning. Jeremiah Wright should tell you enough about the character of this man. Carl Linder was a man who hired his own guards in Columbia so Chiquita Bananas could get delivered. Since when is protecting your employees suddenly a terrorist act? He also gave $250,000 for Bush’s inauguration - I don’t see the problem.
Carl Linder was a man who hired his own guards in Columbia so Chiquita Bananas could get delivered. Since when is protecting your employees suddenly a terrorist act? He also gave $250,000 for Bush’s inauguration - I don’t see the problem.
Linder oversaw the payment of roughly $1.7 million to a Colombian paramilitary group (AUC) that is designated a terrorist organization by the United States. Linder also gave payments to FARC and ELN guerrillas, and then when he was informed that their acitivities were illegal, began sending cash payments in lieu of wire transfers—something that is still under investigation by the Justice Department. In a trip to Columbia, McCain described FARC as “one of the worst” terrorist groups.
There is no problem with hiring legitimate protective forces to protect personal and company assets, but this is clearly not the case.
And just because Obama’s RAP sheet has more names on it than McCain’s doesn’t pardon McCain’s associations.
“Linder oversaw the payment of roughly $1.7 million to a Colombian paramilitary group (AUC) that is designated a terrorist organization by the United States. Linder also gave payments to FARC and ELN guerrillas, and then when he was informed that their acitivities were illegal, began sending cash payments in lieu of wire transfers—something that is still under investigation by the Justice Department. In a trip to Columbia, McCain described FARC as “one of the worst” terrorist groups”.
Just so we all understand, what was McCains association with Linder? Did he attend his church(Jeremiah Wright), did he share a board seat with him(Richard Ayers), did he buy real estate from him(Tony Resko). I’m not quite sure, can you tell us what association McCain had with Linder?
Lindner co-hosted a $25,000-per-person fundraiser for McCain and the Republican Party in the wealthy Indian Hills neighborhood of Cincinnati, Ohio. The event raised about $2 million; Lindner also serves on McCain’s Ohio Victory Team.
McCain has done favors on Lindner’s behalf. Last May, the Washington Post reported that in the late 1990s, McCain “promoted a deal in Arizona’s Tonto National Forest involving property part-owned by Great American Life Insurance, a company run by billionaire Carl H. Lindner Jr., a prolific contributor to national political parties and presidential candidates.”
Moreover, McCain’s chief political adviser, Charlie Black, lobbied for Chiquita on two separate occasions in 2001. According to records, Black was paid $80,000 to work on foreign trade issues.
[ Edited: 21 September 2008 09:27 AM by The Quack]
Quack it nice to see you try to defend a Presidential candidate who is running against a very clean maverick. I grew up and went to school in Illinois, my Father ran for Congress in the suburbs of Chicago in the 90’s. I can assure you that the other shoe will fall on Obama because he was brought up in politics in the most corrupt political system in America. This guy was voted the most liberal Senator in Washington DC, he is way too far left to be elected President. I was just on a conference call for the McCain campaign and they said that they have sold more than 2 million Democrats for McCain stickers and signs. With these type of numbers, Obama does not stand a chance.
Actually, I think I was quite clear that I wasn’t defending Obama or discrediting the legitimate claims of wrong-doing against him; I’m merely showing that McCain isn’t without some similar dirt of his own.
Quack, in a previous post you said to “...make it about the facts.” I think this is where the problem lies. It’s impossible to determine what the “facts” are. Every candidate seems to tell half-truths, make out-of-context statements or tells outright lies. If it really were simply “about the facts”, then why do we have campaigns? I can go on-line and read for myself the voting records of each candidate or look at the jobs they’ve held and for how long. Everything else is subjective and not hard fact. I am so completely bored and disgusted with the finger-pointing and name-calling. At first, I thought that the McCain camp was going to take the high road but now it’s equally bad. I still maintain, however, that the press is so in love with Obama and so hard on McCain that somebody has to air Obama’s dirty laundry just to even the playing field. That’s a shame.
The real question everyone should be asking is why the American taxpayers are saddled with paying the salaries of two U.S. Senators who haven’t done a lick of work in more than a year and a half.
