The Quack - 09 September 2009 07:59 PM

Tomahawk - 09 September 2009 12:24 PM

And any good investigator will tell you, ”you cannot change the facts”.

That’s true, sort of. It was once fact that the World was flat. It was once fact that the Earth was the center of the universe. These are examples of limited knowledge and information leading to a widely accepted belief—something known or believed to be true. My point is “fact” isn’t always the truth, we don’t have to change the facts to change our understanding of the truth. Any good investigator should understand this, too.

Quack, are you attempting to match wits with me, or challenge me intellectually or something? You’ve got to be kidding me….
” ... fact isn’t always the truth??!!!.... ” What the hell was that? “Fact that the world was flat?”, LMAO ok, ok… I am assuming that you are much, much smarter than this lame post, and so I will grant you a pass on that one….. LOL ( it’s still funny though..)

Anywho… It might sound as if I have a personal axe to grind. But in all honesty, I do not. Now I know many of you may or may not believe me, and I understand. Like I have said before, I am a resonable person. I am grounded in fact and rooted in logic, so I understand. That being said, when you just know, deep down inside, that something is wrong ( in this case Williams and Eley ) then how would you attempt to go about letting others know just how you feel, and what is factually based in your mind?

It takes a little tabasco sauce, to get people to understand. It takes a little aggression, to let people know, that these two clowns are the worst fit in America, to be the next administration for this county. I mean come on, the Coffey whack jobs have done everything short of proclaim themselves ” supreme allied commanders ” of the county, and you’ve got these two, ” whodunits ” pointing fingers, trying to shift the focus off of themselves.

I wish you could just walk up to the next officer you see, and ask them what they think about the current administration. Then just ask them about the Williams & Eley combo. You’d probably get an answer like this:

” I like the former better than the latter, because with Williams and Eley, you would spend the rest of your career ( at least their time ) looking over your shoulder, than doing effective police work.”

I could go on about what you probably would hear, but I’ll save that for later.

Tomahawk

Tomahawk, it’s obvious that you have some sort of axe to grind with
Williams And Ely. They both rose to the rank of Captain, did you even
make it past Corporal? In my humble opinion, Williams is more than
qualified to be Sheriff. I hope he makes it!

While the position of sheriff is an elected position, Gartland did not play the game. Rackey was a probationary officer who, could not complete his probationary period due to poor performance.

Regards

Mayuri

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truthhurts - 10 September 2009 11:02 AM

Well Quack, it certainly sounds like tomahawk has some kind of personal ax to grind “I am never going to stop trying to derail and destroy your political ambitions in this county.”  I don’t know, I’m not very smart but why don’t we ask a few questions?

How much did it cost the taxpayers to take all the numbers off the police cars and then turn around and put them all back on?

How much did it cost the taxpayers to replace all the Beretta handguns, which by all accounts were very reliable and working fine, with another make?  Not to mention the cost of ammunition for requalification, new leather gear (holsters), man hours spent on the firing range and training new armorers to repair them.

How much did it cost the taxpayers to take all the red lenses off the police cars and replace them with blue ones?

How much taxpayer money has been and is being spent at Southern Police Supply, a company which is wholly owned and operated by the family of coffey’s “administrative pretend major” who has purchasing authority for the Sheriff’s Office?  A little conflict of interest there or not?

Those are just a few of the questions I and the other citizens of this county who pay taxes should be asking.  But then I wouldn’t expect honest answers from the current administration of the Sheriff’s Office, because that would mean telling the truth and the truth hurts.

Well, it took me some time but I did some research and found the answers to most of your questions. 

1.  Numbers on cars were not removed.  Newly issued cars did not have an ID number on them at the urging of the FOP for officer safety issues.  After the numbers had been off for a while it was discovered that the officers requested the change to put numbers back on the cars so officers would know who was on the scene with them.  The numbers were also placed on the glass to prevent the damage the numbers caused to the paint of the cars.  I was told that it could take up to an hour to remove numbers when a car was reissued.  Now it takes seconds with a razor blade.  Sounds like a cost savings to me.

2.  The guns and leather were purchased with asset forfeiture funds (Money from drug dealers), not tax dollars.  The timeing was also done to have the officers qualify with the new guns at the same time they were going to have to qualify with the old weapons.  The old weapons were already past the recommended replacement time. Sounds like a good deal to the citizens.  Free Guns and improved officer safety.

3.  The prior administration began buying all blue light bars.  The old light bars called “Vectors” have Lexan covers that over time get cloudy and make the lights less effective, causing an officer safety issue.  All the lenses were replaced instead of buying new light bars.  At a cost of about $36.00 the old light bars looked and worked like new. Wow, officer safety again.  What is it with this Coffey Administration?  Why do they care so much about officer safety?

4.  Can anyone obtain a copy of even one invoice or receipt where the Sheriff’s Office has bought anything from Southern Police Supply since Coffey took over?  I submitted a FOIA to Charles County Finance and was told that none exist. The county does have plenty of invoices from John McConnell for doing framing work when he was a member of the Command Staff. There were also no documents attached that included where quotes from other companies was received.  Gosh, I bet you don’t have a problem with that since McConnell is on Dave Williams election committee.  And that was when Williams was in charge of agency audits.  I guess that one just slipped right through. Wow truthhurts, the truth actually sucks for you. 

Gosh truthhurts, you sound like a SMIB.  Am I close, uh.  I don’t know what you are complaining about.  I have never had any problem getting information from the Sheriff’s Office or the County when I go through the right process.  It is also great to be in a position where people will tell you what to look for and how to get it.

REX COFEY FOR SHERIFF           REX COFFEY FOR SHERIFF       REX COFFEY FOR SHERIFF       REX COFFEY FOR SHERIFF -  The one and only candidate who has the integrity and common sense to be Sheriff.

Here is a bumper sticker that needs to find it’s way into the community.  I got it from a young man who works for the Sheriff’s Office who has extensive knowledge of Dave Williams.

Yes, I agree. Nice sticker. It says it all.

Did anyone go to his fundraiser yesterday?  If so, how was the food?  And more important, how was the turnout?

Now here is a group that Dave Williams should be proud of that endorse him. Mike O’Toole (ha), Sam Graves (we all know about his issues) and Freddy.  I guess we now know for certain what type of administration to expect from Williams.  Can we really afford to go backwards?

Reading everyones post always gives me a good laugh.  Up front I will tell you that I am a, “insider” and it is easy for me to sort through all the BS that people post.  To those who read these posts and don’t know all the details, the people speaking here all have an agenda and like many they spin their idea of what may or may not have happened in the past to suit there needs.

Munch, care to give an example?

No problem Maria.  Let’s just for example take Tomahawk who states,

“I wish you all the best, Williams and Eley, and all of their cronies alike, because I am never going to stop trying to derail and destroy your political ambitions in this county. Because as we will ALL soon find out, you are the worst picks for this job.”

Now, why does Tomahawk have so much animosity toward Williams and Eley?  For many years Williams was the commander of the Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR) or Internal Affairs if you want to call it that.  Eley was also in OPR and served under Williams until Williams left and became the commander of the Patrol Division before his retirement.  Eley then became the Commander of OPR.  Williams and Eley were responsible for investigating complaints on officers for misconduct.  Eley investigated Sam Graves for his deeds which lead to Graves retirement.  You can begin to see why some people dislike Williams and Eley, they were responsible for policing the police.  They held people accountable for their actions to the dismay of others.  Both Williams and Eley retired long before Coffee won his election and I never had a problem with either of them. 

Maria believe it or not most of the Internal Affairs complaints filed against officers come from other officers not the public.  I know some of the people posting things disparaging to others in this forum.  Most of them do this because they feel they have been wronged in some way by someone it the agency.

Munch, as an insider who is the best man for the job, and why? There is not one single candidate out there that does not have skeletons or their distractors. Anyone who runs for public office needs to be prepared for their deepest secrets to come out. Sam Graves is the perfect example of this, however, he was elected anyway. People who work at the Sheriff’s Office are the ones who have to work for whoever the sheriff is. Therefore, I think that they will do or say anything to get “their” candidate elected. Politics can be a dirty business. Wouldn’t you agree??

Munch,
You are wrong.  People don’t dislike them because they did their job in Internal Affairs.  They don’t like them because they lie and are dishonorable men.  Both of them.  Trust me, you will see it all come out in due time.  They have opened a can of worms that I don’t think either one of them will be able to handle.

Honestly, I don’t know who the best man for the job is at this point. I have not been to any fundraisers or spoken to any of the candidates, I always try to keep an open mind, this is politics after all. One thing I will point out is some candidates like to promise things to the Officers that they can’t deliver on. This is done in an attempt to win the endorsement of the FOP, I will be on the lookout for such promises. As officers are interest in the elections go a little deeper than just the crime rate. We will be working for the man or woman who wins. As for being dishonest I can say that I have worked with Eley in the past and found him to be a fair and no nonsense man.

Mr. Jones you are right in the fact that I did not like the photograph of Williams with Graves and the others.  If I were running I certainly would not want that picture out there.

When the time is right I am certain plenty of information about the antics of Williams and Eley will be made public.  They only know one style of management and that is of the past administration.  While on the topic of Eley… since when does the Sheriff seek the office with a running mate.  State ethics clearly state that promises of positions are a clear violation.  I’m not surprised, since when does Williams worry about ethics?

Look real close at the sign posted below.  Do you notice that he is using Fred Davis’ signs as backings for his signs?  I recently heard a hard core Republican say that Dave Williams told him that he is going to switch parties right after the General Election if he wins.  That seems to be why he is getting Fred’s support.

Here is another picture of Dave Williams with his pal Len Collins.  Len is apparently supporting Dave too.  We all know how hated len Collins is by 99% of the cops and 99% of the public.  His endorsement really helped Fred 4 years ago.

Another pompus ass I am glad to see leaving.

Ok, I am not a member of the CCSO but have worked with both administrations (Davis & Coffey).  I don’t know first hand how members of the CCSO feel about any of the candidates.  I do know first hand that Coffey is more up front and honest.  He is a little rough around the edges but holds the good of the county and the CCSO at the front of his administration.  With Davis it was always a guessing game.  Watch your back and try and figure out what is the real issue and objective he had.  I also found this was the case with many in his administration including Williams and others. Promises were made and broken many times over during the Davis years.  These had little impact on me after I learned how they operated as I didn’t count on anything they said or promised. Laying out the facts as I was exposed to them.

Fred Williams for Sheriff or is it Dave Davis.  It is hard to keep straight.

Bill Jones - 02 May 2010 12:41 PM

Fred Williams for Sheriff or is it Dave Davis.  It is hard to keep straight.

Dave Williams rose to the rank of CAPTAIN in the Sheriff’s Dept. because of his
professionalism,dedication,honesty and fairness as a police officer.

Jones, you never actually worked with Dave Williams and is simply spouting off/
regurgitating second hand rumors and nonsense. You’re beginning to sound like one
of those ‘angry’ “Tea Party” crack pots.

Dave Williams will be an excellent Sheriff.

“DAVE WILLIAMS for SHERIFF”

Doc, you said “honesty” and “fairness”. Ask Mr. Williams about an investigation into a former FOP President (not Gibson) when he was in Internal Affairs. It was learned during the investigation that Williams used his own 12 year old daughter as the complainant. A charge was filed against the FOP Pres. for allegedly politicking on duty. A subsequent show cause order was filed in Circuit Court by the officer and the investigation was terminated by then Sheriff Davis. However, the damage was done and it cost Davis political points with the FOP. So there is your fair and honest Captain. Who drags there own kid into the abyss of politics at the CCSO??

Listen, You don’t have to be an FOP President to get Dave Williams on the attack.  Here is how he does it.  He decides what he wants the end results to be and then does everything he can to either manipulate facts and in many cases created evidence to use against a political enemy.  There are a lot of victims of Dave Williams and his unethical behavior out there.  I just hope it didn’t spill over into his police work.  I would hate to think that an innocent person is behind bars because Dave Williams set them up.  Once your integrity is called into question about things like this, it is real hard to think he wouldn’t cross the line that way too. Mark my words.  He has a short fuse and in the very near future he is going to come out attacking people instead of talking about issues.  So far all he has talked about is some of the appointments Coffey made.  No one cares about that.  But he won’t be able to control himself.  He won’t be able to stick to the issues like crime.  WATCH OUT CHARLES COUNTY.  THIS MAN HAS NO COMMON SENSE.  It is unfortunate that this will probably bring out a lot of his secrets too.  Some things I am sure his family will not find amusing.  Some things that show how he is ready and willing to cross the line to get what he wants.  And DOCHOLIDAY, you kn ow nothing about me or who I have worked with.  jsut like we can only take your word that you actually worked with him.  He didn’t get to the rank of Captain because of all the great things you say.  he got there because he was willing to do what O’Toole and Davis asked of him without question.  I trust you are not the fool you make yourself out to be by believeing that nonsense.  If you were not a target of his, good for you.

Okay Maria Jones and Bill Jones,

So what if the complainant was 12 years old. If a complaint is filed, it has to
be looked into. If it is shown to have no merit then it is dropped, as is what
appears to have happened here. Lets not try to blow things up and twist it
to support you argument.

Stop trying to dish dirt. And if you’re going to dish dirt, dish dirt on all
the candidates, not just the ones you personally dislike. Do you really think
that anyone believes that Coffey has never made a ‘blunder’ or screwed up an
investigation? Everyone has made mistakes.

You two would have more credibility if you didn’t come off as ‘SHILLS’.