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PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA - September 13, 2010

7:00 p.m. Meeting to be held in Commissioners’ Conference Room
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CONSENT ITEM

4. FINAL PLAT

A. CHELSEA MANOR, PHASE 1A, Lots 1-11, 55-67, XRS 10-0008, 7th e.d., 20.83 acres, 24 townhouse lots, Core Mixed Residential Zone, located off of Marshall Hall Rd., Applicant: Chelsea Manor II, LC

DISCUSSION ITEMS

5. PUBLIC MEETINGS

A. MITCHELL PROPERTY, ZMA 09-36, Request: Rezone from RR to PUD, Applicant: St. Charles Community, LLC

B. BEALL PROPERTY, ZMA 09-37, Request: Rezone from RM to PUD, Applicant: St. Charles Community, LLC

C. MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT #09-90(15) FOR THE VILLAGES OF WOODED GLEN & PINEY REACH , Request: Incorporate the Mitchell Property and Beall Property into Villages of Wooded Glen & Piney Reach Master Plan; to Assign Dwellings Units to the Various Neighborhoods in those Villages; to Establish a Dwelling Unit Mix for those Neighborhoods; and to Provide Other Updates and Revision to the Current Master Plan, Applicant: St. Charles Community, LLC

D. AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE RURAL AREAS, ZTA 10-123, Request: to Permit Affordable, Multi-Family Housing in the AC and RC Zones, Applicant:
Cornell Posey

6. DECISION

A. WATER RESOURCE ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, Applicant: Charles County Commissioners

Posted by: Sammy on 09/02/10 at 07:05 AM

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AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE RURAL AREAS, ZTA 10-123, Request: to Permit Affordable, Multi-Family Housing in the AC and RC Zones, Applicant:
Cornell Posey

I believe this is the same person who proposed apartments in Nanjemoy a couple of years ago.

If this is allowed it will set a precedent for all rural areas of the county, thereby allowing dense development countywide, i.e. more Waldorf.

As for the Water Resource Element, it is a State Requirement.

However, I doubt that it will do much good.

Comment by cheryl on 09/02/10 at 07:45 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
2. · D. AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE RURAL AREAS, ZTA 10-123, Request: to Permit Affordable, Multi-Family Housing in the AC and RC Zones, Applicant:
Cornell Posey/

This is Nanjemoy, I believe on Bowie Road. Affordable Housing in Nanjemoy is coming - WITHOUT PUBLIC MEETINGS, just like Clifton.

How convenient to be held on Sep 13th /

Comment by creekworks on 09/02/10 at 08:40 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
3. · So what good is it to even have AC and RC zones if they're going to allow this?

As Audrey Scott (former MDP official) said about 10 years ago "Zoning is key", and damn if it ain't!!

Comment by cheryl on 09/02/10 at 09:18 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
4. · creekworks - is this the project that Posey and Mike Sullivan were working on last year - the one with the shared septics?

I wonder if Sullivan has anything to do with this one?

If so, why won't he consider doing this at Mt. Victoria???

Comment by cheryl on 09/02/10 at 12:51 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
5. · i think so Cheryl.. im gonna do a drive by, and see if i cant chat with Cornell to get some info.

If this were broken into bungalows and maybe some du/tri plex units, it could be better than the apartment building concepts the developer originally showed the citizens at the initial Cooper/Patterson "Informational" meeting in 2008ish.

But as earlier suggested, COUNTY should JUST BUY UP all the foreclosed and empty houses that already are in Nanjemoy if the COUNTY wants affordable housing down here!!

Comment by creekworks on 09/02/10 at 03:32 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
6. · Like This ....

Communities to get first shot at foreclosed homes
Gregory Korte ― USA TODAY

Major mortgage lenders will now give state and local governments the right to buy foreclosed properties before they go on the market, giving them “a leg up” on speculators who have often thwarted local redevelopment efforts, Housing Secretary Shaun Donovan announced Wednesday.

http://delusionalduck.com/index.php/site/comments/communities_to_get_first_shot_at_foreclosed_homes/

Comment by creekworks on 09/02/10 at 04:25 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
7. · If this were broken into bungalows and maybe some du/tri plex units, it could be better than the apartment building concepts

But you'd still have the problem of moving folks off land that's been in their families for a very long time. Some with no deeds to their property. Until that's worked out between all concerned, I don't think it matters if they want to build a replica of Versailles or mud huts with thatched roofs.

Comment by seahorse on 09/02/10 at 05:01 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
8. · Granted.. I concur.. I'm not saying i support this in any way, just that IF its NOT what the original developer SHOWED the citizens, Ill listen the the facts..

Water/Septic Concerns are the biggest issue, and frankly, I dont think ANYONE is moving off their land to go live here, that's a BIG assumption on the part of the county.

Comment by creekworks on 09/02/10 at 07:48 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
9. · I'm not saying i support this in any way, just that IF its NOT what the original developer SHOWED the citizens, Ill listen the the facts..

Right, cc, I wasn't inferring that you supported this, just throwing it out for all to consider that those that need help should be treated with respect. Trying to herd folks off their land and into subsidized housing smacks of a land grab (at least in my opinion).

Comment by seahorse on 09/03/10 at 08:06 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
10. · And from what I understood, they CANNOT exclusively serve Nanjemoy Citizens in this .. complex, EVEN if there is one or two families that WANT to leave their land (which i doubt)... since its Govt moneys, it has to be OPEN to ALL or ANY who apply and qualify.. to live there..

I hope this information, and MORE is cleared up on the 13ths meeting/ hearing. And I hope there will be a citizen there to pose some questions to Mr. Posey and the Commissioners on this matter.

(Ill be on travel, or I would certainly attend)

From what I heard, Mr. Posey was offering to sell this land for around $800k to the County if it is approved ... but again, that could just be rumor net. MORE FACTS need to come out - stat!

Comment by creekworks on 09/03/10 at 08:33 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
11. · Hi Everybody,

I need some assistance with this. A friend of mine is concerned about items A and C.

Would someone please give me some direction as to how they can obtain more information about the location of these properties?

Who do they need to call in county govt or where can they go to see the maps?

Any assitance would be appreciated.

Comment by shadowdiver on 09/03/10 at 06:10 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
12. · Im just trying to find data on Item D,
good luck..

You would think, with these announcements, there would be an online record of the information related to said.. "application"

I mean, the county obviously has this data, WHY NOT SHARE IT ONLINE.. with citizens.. BEFORE a "hearing"?

Hmmm.. but wait, citizens get a generous 3 Minutes to respond, reply to such information - learned on the fly.... IF THEY SIGNED UP

There needs to be a new process, or procedure for this circus they call county commissioners meetings, including the board of appeals process.

Comment by creekworks on 09/03/10 at 06:56 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
13. · Would planning and growth be the place to start calling?

Comment by shadowdiver on 09/03/10 at 07:04 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
14. · Rick Campbell is planning to attend this hearing if all goes as planned and has comments.

As for me: I heard the project has been changed into duplex and small cottage/bungalow type units for seniors and the 'workforce'. We do need some housing in Nanjemoy for people who already live there and want to stay near family and family support.

I have not seen the plan but have heard Cornell and the County have worked on the plan- mostly the County.

HUD requires several additional areas I think that have not been addressed.

I am still against rezoning and think an overlay can be used with stringent guidelines. That way it is a limited project to met a need of the Community- and they do have many various needs.

In fact I think next year the State wants these areas to be given even less density zoning to protect our resources.

I just dont know why this has to be done the evening before the Primary.

formerly known on the ‘Duck’ as spirit of the elder & BJGoodwin

Comment by Barbara on 09/03/10 at 08:18 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
15. · #11 & #13, sd, might try the Clerk's office in the Circuit Court for Charles County; it sounds like your friend is looking for a plat.

http://www.courts.state.md.us/clerks/charles/records.html

Land Records

* Deeds
* Mortgages and Deeds of Trust
* Leases
* Releases of Mortgages and Deeds of Trust
* Land Contracts

Plat Records

* Subdivision
* Condominium
* Highway

They are very helpful.

Comment by seahorse on 09/03/10 at 09:09 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
16. · or you can go to the maryland land .. records link.. for rudimentary information...

http://sdatcert3.resiusa.org/rp_rewrite/searchtype.aspx?County=09&SearchType=street

Comment by creekworks on 09/03/10 at 09:12 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
17. · Thanks everyone, I will pass along the suggestions.

Comment by shadowdiver on 09/04/10 at 08:20 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
18. · #11
I need some assistance with this. A friend of mine is concerned about items A and C.

Would someone please give me some direction as to how they can obtain more information about the location of these properties?

Who do they need to call in county govt or where can they go to see the maps?
From the Public Notice for item A:

The file is available for review in the Department of Planning and Growth Management in the County Government Building, La Plata, Maryland. For further information, contact Heather Kelley or Shelley Wagner with the Department of Planning and Growth Management at (301)645-0540 or (301) 870-3896.

For Item C - Heather Kelley or Shelley Wagner should be able to tell you who the County contact person is for that project.

Comment by Sammy on 09/04/10 at 08:58 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
19. · Also from the Public Notice:

The applicant, St. Charles Community LLC, has requested an amendment to change the existing base zone of Rural Residential (RR) to Planned Unit Development (PUD) for a 30.45 acre property located along the north side of MD Route 488 across from the Roosevelt Heights subdivision, east of the town of La Plata, Maryland, also known as Tax Map 34, Grid 13, Parcel 149 or the Mitchell property. The applicant has also requested an amendment to change the existing base zone of Medium-Density Residential (RM) to Planned Unit Development (PUD) for a 90.085 acre property located north of MD Route 488 within the same general vicinity of the Mitchell Property described above, but north and slightly west of that property, and immediately east of Laurel Springs Park, also known as Tax Map 24, Grid 6, part of Parcel 1 or the Beall property. The proposed areas for rezoning are more specifically shown on an exhibit located in the Department of Planning & Growth Management.

The applicant, St. Charles Community LLC, has also requested approval for an amendment to the Villages of Wooded Glen & Piney Reach Master Plan encompassing Tax Map 15 Parcel 149, Tax Map 24 Parcels 1, 3, 9, 14, 91, 99, 102, 103, 106, 109, 114, 123, 125, 136, 137 and Tax Map 34 Parcels 3 & 149. This amendment is to incorporate the above-mentioned Mitchell property and Beall property into the Villages of Wooded Glen & Piney Reach Master Plan, to assign dwelling units to the various neighborhoods in those Villages, to establish a dwelling unit mix for those neighborhoods, and to provide other updates and revisions to the current Master Plan.

Comment by Sammy on 09/04/10 at 09:07 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
20. · SD had it right in #13 and Sammy made it even easier to find the info wanted. Gotta' love the Duck!

Comment by seahorse on 09/04/10 at 09:09 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
21. · shadowdiver,

Item C is included in the same Public Notice as item A, so Heather Kelley or Shelley Wagner would be the County person to contact for more infomation on that project.

Comment by Sammy on 09/04/10 at 09:26 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
22. · How can the County approve Zoning text amendment #10-123 and still hope to achieve the State mandate regarding Priority Preservation Areas? The County stands to take a big financial hit if we do not meet the State requirements.

Comment by riverrat on 09/05/10 at 08:53 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
23. · Someone correct me if i'm wrong, didn't mr fink say that since its down to 4 sitting commissioners, any vote would need to be unanimous?

I predict a unanimous approval of ZTA #10-123.

and WHO is Mike Sullivan? Is he a developer or Jaycess rep?

Comment by creekworks on 09/06/10 at 09:17 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
24. · He is a self-important “developer” and the largest contributor to Sam Graves’ campaign.

Comment by Julia Charles on 09/06/10 at 09:44 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
25. · Also, if memory serves me correctly, he was the person who drafted up the "shared septic" provision.

He and Mr. Posey wanted to build apartments in Nanjemoy last year, but I guess it didn't work out for them, so they're trying another tactic.

Also, Mike Sullivan owns Mt. Victoria, a lovely old estate.

Now, why doesn't develop THAT, if he's so gung ho on development and making some bucks??!

He and Graves should consider THAT!!!

Of course, that would be in Sullivan's own backyard!!!!

Comment by cheryl on 09/06/10 at 09:59 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
26. · I suspect we will see many similar pieces of legislation introduced by the lame duck commissioners after September 14. They will still have three months in office.

Comment by Julia Charles on 09/06/10 at 10:06 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
27. · sounds ripe for citizen vigilance regardless of the outcome!!!

Comment by creekworks on 09/06/10 at 12:19 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
28. · Thanks Sammy! That was VERY helpful!

Comment by shadowdiver on 09/06/10 at 03:17 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]

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