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Zoning Text Amendment #10-123

Notice is hereby given that the Planning Commission of Charles County will hold a Public Information Meeting, on proposed Zoning Text Amendment ZTA #10-123 on September 13, 2010 at 7:00 p.m. in the County Commissioner’s Meeting Room located in the Charles County Government Building, La Plata, Maryland on the following Zoning Text Amendment:

Zoning Text Amendment #10-123

The proposed amendment to the Zoning Ordinance is to amend Article IV, § 63, Figure IV-1 Table of Permissible Uses; Article V, § 75, Figure V-l Maximum Residential Densities; Article VI, §87, Figure VI-1 Schedule of Zone Regulations: Agricultural Conservation Zone; Article VI, § 88, Figure VI-2 Schedule of Zone Regulations: Rural Residential Zones and Article XIII, § 212, Uses corresponding with the Table of Permissible Uses.

The purpose of this amendment is to permit affordable, multifamily housing in the Agricultural Conservation (AC) and Rural Conservation (RC) Zones.


Posted by: Sammy on 08/29/10 at 05:23 PM
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  • 1. · Okay Charles County citizens, these kind of hearings NORMALLY get crap turnout.. maybe now that the Clifton Plan has come out, and we still have the Nanjemoy Apartment/Complex Plan yet to be revealed.... Citizens will take notice.


    Its time to take to the Streets.. so to say...
    (ATTEND this hearing, and ask questions, and demand answers !!) Sign up to speak!!

    Every Candidate should attend, as well as ANY citizen that wants to see what the future holds ONCE ZONING laws.. are changed (uh, I mean, text is Amended).. to accommodate.. other interests....

    BOLD as hell to do this the day before the PRIMARY.. for sure...

    And Frankly Im surprised its not being held at 10am to exclude most citizens from attending!!

    I predict a postponement of this meeting... -- ANY time there is real CITIZEN interest, they just kick the can on down the road... normally!

    Comment by creekworks  on  08/29/10  at  05:45 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 2. · you have it creekworks- many new plans would be revealed along with the two you mention if this is passed.

    I think with new Commissioners and correct instruction going to the planning office- you will find they can spot rezone specific areas by overlay zones to solve problems in a specific Community- which should be planned with the Community input.

    formerly known on the ‘Duck’ as spirit of the elder & BJGoodwin

    Comment by Barbara  on  08/29/10  at  09:30 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 3. · What are these knuckleheads up to now?

    Comment by Chris  on  08/29/10  at  09:53 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 4. · Actually, this is probably rather shwred timing...7pm the night before the primaries...

    The news cycle will be focused on the primary elections and not the meeting. The primaries will be over, probably long over before anyone even gets wind of what happened in the meeting.

    What is interesting is that the proposed changes are not included in the announcement.

    I don't understand why anyone would want to put "affordable" multi-family units in rural or agricultural zones. Putting these dwelling far from the population and employment centers makes no sense to me. Can anyone explain the logic here?

    Comment by shadowdiver  on  08/29/10  at  10:15 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 5. · too tired right now to answer- its a long one- remind me?

    formerly known on the ‘Duck’ as spirit of the elder & BJGoodwin

    Comment by Barbara  on  08/30/10  at  12:33 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 6. · Between this and what is on the Planning Commission’s agenda for the same evening, it is obvious that there will be a whole lot of projects moving towards approval in the waning days of the current commissioners.

    Ironically the transparency is remarkable. The quid pro quo is coming home to roost.

    Comment by Ken Robinson  on  08/30/10  at  07:10 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 7. · The Commissioners gotta reward those developers while the sun still shines!

    Comment by cheryl  on  08/30/10  at  07:32 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 8. · The purpose of this amendment is to permit affordable, multifamily housing in the Agricultural Conservation (AC) and Rural Conservation (RC) Zones.

    I think they're trying to get around the 3+ acre per house rule and "cluster" so developers can build houses on small lots where the land percs. Roads, wells and sewage treatment will be maintained by the homeowner so the county doesn't have to put out any $$$ for upkeep. They call it "affordable housing" because they want to legitimize it.

    Who would want to buy in to something like this when there are so many homes to choose from on the market, many of them close to amenities, jobs and transient (SD has it right)? Like that Cliffton deal with Jerry Lenhart where he was going to be able to build 500 houses, this is nothing more than a last gasp effort.

    Comment by seahorse  on  08/30/10  at  08:18 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 9. ·
    they're trying to get around the 3+ acre per house rule and "cluster" so developers can build houses on small lots where the land percs.


    I think you're right seahorse.

    I'm willing to bet that Nanjemoy is one of those "targeted" areas for this type of development.

    Of course, western Charles County is the area where the water supply is in the most serious jeopardy...but hey, why should this current Board of Commissioners really give a rat's behind about water!!!

    Comment by cheryl  on  08/30/10  at  08:35 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 10. · Ya know, Jerry Lenhart had it right. Once there is water and sewer, the property values go way up. The question is: why is it in the County's best interest to increase Mr Lenhart's profits? (so he can donate more to campaign funds?)

    Why are we even considering rezoning AC? People are eager to buy locally grown food. The County needs to encourage agriculture in the agriculture conservation zones.

    Go to this hearing and sign up to speak!!!Tell the commissioners we need to keep AC in conservation where it belongs.

    Comment by riverrat  on  09/01/10  at  10:15 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 11. · "Go to this hearing and sign up to speak!!!Tell the commissioners we need to keep AC in conservation where it belongs. "


    I second this motion !! - ATTEND if you can, and SPEAK ! Last Chance !

    The night before the primary on Tues, by Wednesday this will be buried in the news that the commissioners unanimously approved this.

    Edith keeps another campaign promise and feels great about it !

    Why not just buy up the underwater and/or foreclosed empty houses in Nanjemoy, and put folks in them?!

    Nanjemoy needs an apartment building like we need a private (for profit) training camp at the Village Center in an AC/ w'RPZ.
    (Ag Conservation w Resource Protection overlay)

    So, if the ZTA is approved, does that mean that any Nanjemite can look at adding another house on our 3 acre lot? - sweeeet! And farmers can get rid of all this silly open space, and start plopping down housing as well?

    Comment by creekworks  on  09/07/10  at  10:43 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 12. · By the time January comes, the new commissioners will have a very long list of things they will have to try to undo.

    These are truly all of the campaign promises made to developers coming home to roost.

    Comment by Julia Charles  on  09/07/10  at  11:32 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 13. ·
    The question is: why is it in the County's best interest to increase Mr Lenhart's profits?


    It's not in the county's best interest, it's in the best interest of the current Commissioners, i.e. money, power and influence and in some cases, another political leap forward to Annapolis or D.C.

    The developers and real estate interests have the big bucks and this current bunch sees to it that their "contributors" are rewarded in kind.

    That's why it's crucial that we elect Commissioners who are honest, trustworthy and TRULY have the best interest of the County's citizens at heart, and not just the developers and real estate crowd.

    Otherwise, we'll see more instances like this....

    Comment by cheryl  on  09/07/10  at  01:01 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 14. · #6 Ironically the transparency is remarkable. The quid pro quo is coming home to roost.

    A blatant bunch of bozos for sure!
    zipper

    Comment by seahorse  on  09/07/10  at  02:34 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 15. · Hey..I heard the Planning Commission meeting for the 13th was cancelled. Any info on that? Gee, they cancelled it the week of elections

    Comment by truth or consequences  on  09/07/10  at  05:32 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 16. ·
    Hey..I heard the Planning Commission meeting for the 13th was cancelled. Any info on that?


    Confirmed: Planning Commission Agenda Revised
    September 13, 2010

    The above meeting has been cancelled. All previous items will be rescheduled to the next meeting on September 27, 2010.

    formerly known on the ‘Duck as CCCitizen and, unless otherwise stated, any opinions expressed are those of my own.

    Comment by Pauleen Brewer  on  09/07/10  at  05:45 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 17. · whoa- power of the "quack"

    formerly known on the ‘Duck’ as spirit of the elder & BJGoodwin

    Comment by Barbara  on  09/07/10  at  07:35 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 18. · #1I predict a postponement of this meeting... -- ANY time there is real CITIZEN interest, they just kick the can on down the road... normally!

    Creekworks, your crystal ball is workin' overtime!

    Comment by seahorse  on  09/07/10  at  08:48 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 19. · no crystal ball required, just watched this circus unfold since 2006... in awe and amazement wink

    Comment by creekworks  on  09/07/10  at  10:07 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 20. · UPDATE - UPDATE - UPDATE

    This meeting has been re-scheduled for September 27, 7 PM

    Lets see how the lameduck commissioners respond to Nanjemoy citizen concerns over this ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT !

    Comment by creekworks  on  09/19/10  at  03:13 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 21. ·
    Lets see how the lameduck commissioners respond to Nanjemoy citizen concerns over this ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT !


    They'll do whatever's "necessary" to make one last stand to "reward" their supporters, and to stick it to us!!

    Comment by cheryl  on  09/19/10  at  07:47 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 22. · Cheryl, I hope those 3 lameducks plus Reuben show some class and not try to blindside the citizens of Charles County. The Cliffton residents set the bar high, and we all have to be ever vigilant.

    A public hearing is just that. The public should get answers not just 3 minutes to spout off and then be ignored.

    Comment by seahorse  on  09/19/10  at  08:36 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 23. · Nanjemoy Residents and Any Other Citizen:

    This Saturday is Nanjemoy Heritage Days.

    Rick is having an open tent meet and greet before and after the event at the old Posey gas station. I know all Nanjemoians know where that is-

    Come on out and you guys can talk about it. I was gonna email a few of you- but since you are own this comment thread- can you help spread the word of the TENT event. We dont have funds to run an ad- and to tell you the truth some of you who live there- Wayne, Millie and Ken and others I think can spread the word-

    We want new people to meet Rick and we want you guys who already know him to come.

    THANKS

    formerly known on the ‘Duck’ as spirit of the elder & BJGoodwin

    Comment by Barbara  on  09/19/10  at  10:38 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 24. · 2 Quick questions.. this hearing is with the Planning board not the Commissioners correct? How do we change the makeup of the planning board?

    Barbara, great to hear about this tent event. What time is it? I think Rick will make a terrific Commissioner!!!

    Comment by riverrat  on  09/19/10  at  10:53 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 25. ·
    How do we change the makeup of the planning board?


    I believe the members are appointed by the Commissioners to serve for a certain amount of time.

    This is one reason why it's so important to put in a NEW BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS, and people who are NOT "clones" of members of our current board.

    A new board of commissioners would likely appoint Planning Commission members who will consider all issues, including the water supply, before approving any new development!

    Comment by cheryl  on  09/19/10  at  11:07 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 26. · #24this hearing is with the Planning board not the Commissioners correct?

    Correct, riverrat. This hearing is with the Planning Commission.

    #25A new board of commissioners would likely appoint Planning Commission members who will consider all issues, including the water supply, before approving any new development!

    Cheryl, if a new Planning Commission is appointed, would they have the power to disapprove a development due to water supply? And if the developer can show an "adequate water supply" for today's purposes? Isn't that pretty much what's happening now? Would there have to be a watertight (so to speak) regulation enacted protecting the water supply before the Planning Commission could say NO to a developer? It seems to me MDE has the regulation, but they won't step in until the whole county is sucking sand so, if that's the case, can CC enact their own water depletion regulation and would the CC reg supersede the state?

    Comment by seahorse  on  09/19/10  at  01:25 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 27. · Excellent questions seahorse!!

    I don't really have an answer about whether or not the PC can disapprove development based on the water supply, however, I do know that HB 1141 requires that there is an adequate water supply before allowing new development, but I don't know how that would be enforced.

    As for MDE, it approves/issues the Water Appropriation and Use Permits for all withdrawals over 10,000 gallons per day. It's safe to assume that it has been AWOL in ensuring that there is an adequate supply for private well owners.

    Also, since HB 1141 requires a water resource element (WRE) be included in the Comprehensive Plan, I would assume that CC could enact its own water depletion regulation - why not?! Obviously, MDE doesn't seem to be concerned.

    These are questions that candidates running for Commissioner should look into, since the NEW Commissioners will be the ones in the catbird seat!!

    Comment by cheryl  on  09/19/10  at  02:49 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 28. · River rat-the Nanjemoy Heritage Festival is at the Firehouse from 12 to 3.

    We are going to have a tent up by 10:30- close for the festival (Rick has an old car/truck entered in the parade) then when it closes back to the tent at 3 til?

    If everyone could spread the word (those that wants Rick as a Commissioner) it would be great- its just a drop in type of event- no planned agenda- just a gathering.

    Folks from all over the County are invited- not just from Nanjemoy.

    we have spent the weekend at the fair and are all pooped out. SO....

    WE DO NEED YOUR HELP to email, blog, phone all your friends and neighbors to spread the word. Lets see how many we can get to come.

    THANK YOU TO ALL>

    formerly known on the ‘Duck’ as spirit of the elder & BJGoodwin

    Comment by Barbara  on  09/19/10  at  03:02 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 29. · Please send a short comment to the Planning Commission via Theresa Pickeral .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

    On February 28 there was a hearing before the Planning Commission regarding Zoning Text Amendment 10-123 application by Cornell Posey to allow low income housing developments in rural areas - not just limited to one parcel.

    The record was left open until March 29 - PLEASE send in a short comment.

    Staff reported that it would be improper use, was akin to spot zoning and recommended denial, however, due to the record being left open, comments are still necessary.

    Comment by cheryl  on  03/08/11  at  09:41 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 30. · to allow low income housing developments in rural areas - not just limited to one parcel.

    Top nomination for the Bring-On-The-Sprawl Award (since I'm not seeing Mike Sullivan still trying to push his ClusterBomb Land Grab)! Nanjemoy isn't exactly close to anything when considering low-income housing. This would be a PERFECT example of SPRAWL growth should it be allowed. With a new Comp Plan Update soon to be kicked off, there's absolutely NO reason for this zoning change to be allowed. When PGM turns something down, you know it's a real loser idea!

    Comment by seahorse  on  03/08/11  at  04:50 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 31. · These are some of my concerns:

    The developer(s) would have to apply for and obtain a Water Appropriation and Use Permit from the Maryland Department of the Environment (MDE).

    In addition, septic systems are inappropriate for high density development and a sewage treatment plant would be necessary to effectively accommodate the high volume of sewage from this development.

    “Spot zoning” such as this will set a precedent for more similar types of “spot zoning” in the future, which is not consistent with the Comprehensive Plan.

    Development in rural areas requires more infrastructure, including community wells, sewage treatment plants and road upgrades in order to accommodate increased traffic and increased population.

    Would the developer be required to pay for the necessary road upgrades or would the county TAXPAYERS be responsible?

    If nearby private wells are adversely affected due to the increased water withdrawals of thousands of gallons per day, will the developer be required to compensate these residents for any well failures?

    If a septic system is used for this development how will the developer insure that it is property maintained and that any septic failures won’t adversely affect nearby private property, streams and wetlands?

    Even Staff reported this development request constitutes improper use and was akin to “spot zoning” and that it should be DENIED!!

    As for Mike Sullivan, wasn't he involved in this or something similar in Nanjemoy?

    Comment by cheryl  on  03/08/11  at  05:01 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 32. · When I went back and read the Indy article this statement struck me as a downright STUPID "reason" for this development:

    "Barnes argued that because of "humanitarian" reasons, the request for affordable housing in rural areas "cannot wait."

    Now if this is the new tactic to "justify" development in AC zoned areas, it's a stretch.

    If they think it's "humanitarian" to segregate people based on income that sure doesn't sound "humanitarian" to me....

    Comment by cheryl  on  03/08/11  at  05:17 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 33. · "Barnes argued that because of "humanitarian" reasons, the request for affordable housing in rural areas "cannot wait."

    A stretch for sure. Barnes didn't even make sense when she brought up the "humanitarian" gig. Guess that was the best she could do, but just goes to show if the lawyer for the developer couldn't make a case, it's no wonder PGM whacked it.

    Comment by seahorse  on  03/08/11  at  09:25 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 34. · I think Mike Sullivan is now leading this project because he has managed to fiddle this proposal so that he has more to gain than Cornell Posey does.

    Comment by in the wings  on  03/09/11  at  09:46 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 35. · Mike Sullivan was involved with drafting the RURAL PRESERVATION ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT which was not approved, so it stands to reason that he's slithering his way around it by offering "assistance" to others, such as Mr. Posey.

    I believe he was also involved with the shared septic legislation, thereby paving the way for developments such as Mr. Posey's and Holly Hall.

    I guess he figures there's more than one way to skin a cat!!

    Comment by cheryl  on  03/09/11  at  09:59 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 36. · One more observation about Mike Sullivan: Why doesn't he propose low income "affordable" housing in his neck of the woods at Mt. Victoria? Hmmmmmmmmmm?

    Comment by cheryl  on  03/09/11  at  10:01 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 37. ·
    Why doesn't he propose low income "affordable" housing in his neck of the woods at Mt. Victoria?


    If he did, I would still fight it. He would still be putting high-density housing on well and septic. It needs to be on public water and sewer.

    Comment by Wayne  on  03/09/11  at  02:13 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 38. · so it stands to reason that he's slithering his way around it by offering "assistance" to others, such as Mr. Posey.

    I believe he was also involved with the shared septic legislation, thereby paving the way for developments such as Mr. Posey's and Holly Hall.

    I like your adjective describing Mike Sullivan....slithering...LOL....boy, does THAT ever fit!!!!

    I didn't think his ClusterBomb Land Grab made it past the starting line. It was pretty darn obvious what he was trying to do--open up Nanjemoy for developers with his shared septic and private road upkeep deals that sticks it to a HOA.

    Comment by seahorse  on  03/09/11  at  02:25 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 39. · just an aside:

    Just last week a resident said: I dont know why everyone is against Mr Sullivan. He has been the only one to help us in all these years.

    ..................................................

    formerly known on the ‘Duck’ as spirit of the elder & BJGoodwin

    Comment by Barbara  on  03/09/11  at  02:36 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 40. ·
    He would still be putting high-density housing on well and septic. It needs to be on public water and sewer.


    I agree Wayne- EVERY SINGLE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN AND OUTSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT should face intense scrutiny!!

    Remember that "public" water comes from the same aquifers those of us with private wells obtain our water. It's the private wells that give the first indication when there's a problem with the supply, i.e. the Magothy aquifer for example.

    So, EVERY development in Charles County, regardless of whether there's "public" water or not, poses a "risk" to those with private wells - always has and always will.

    The Posey/Sullivan development plans for "spot zoning" will set a precedent for more similar development throughout ALL the AC zoned areas of the county, which would pretty much render the Comprehensive Plan moot.

    It's all about ZONING and the developers and their ilk know it.

    Comment by cheryl  on  03/09/11  at  03:35 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
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